I'm happy to see your website specific to the 597. Mine is a stock 597 in .22 mag
with the synthetic stock. I topped it off with a Simmons Pro-Hunter 3-9x40mm. I
have shot some excellent groups with the Federal 50 grain hp. 100 yard groups
average about 1.5 inches. This is pretty good considering that the stock trigger
on my rifle is close to a 9 lb pull. Have you found anyone who will do a trigger
job on theses rifles? Even an aftermarket trigger would be acceptable. I can't
find a gunsmith in Washinton State that is willing to even touch the trigger assembly.
Reminton isn't much help either. I don't want to perform the job myself because I
lack the tools and knowhow, not to mention the fact that the thought of a full auto
597 makes me cringe, well, only a bit. (A friend of mine did his own trigger job and
had that happen to an old Browning semi-auto/auto.) Any info on this would be great!
Andy: Nice shooting! I put that same scope on my .22 LR. For trigger improvements, try the Aftermarket Products page.
Wednesday, January 24, 2001
I am endeavoring to test three different types of .22LR ammunition from two different ammo. makers. The test will be conducted at a range of 25 yds. in the prone position using a B-square bi-pod and a 4X Tasco scope. These are mounted on a Remington Model 597 rifle(base model) that has had over 3000 rnds of ammo fired through it, so barrel break in should not be an issue. During this 3000 rnd period I have stuck to my own cleaning procedure,which is another story, point being the rifle has been cleaned regularly.
1. Rifle is freshly cleaned(bore and action).
2. Ten rounds of ammo. are fired, followed by one dry patch to remove powder/primer residue.(This step is taken so that none of the bullets under test will have the advantage(or disadvantage?) of a freshly cleaned bbl and the fact that I dont want to have to clean the rifle after each set of test shells. Lazy I know....but what are ya gonna do?)
3. Five shells are fired from first test set, followed by the dry patch, next five from next set, followed by the dry patch,ect..
4. Measure group sizes for the three different targets and compare the results......
I know that this is far from ideal test setup but I was wondering just how much,if any,difference a simple test like this would show. I have looked on the internet but have never found any info. that suited me 100%, so I'm hoping that between my little test and the online info. I can find what I seek.
The truth is out there..........
1. CCI 22 Long Rifle Hollow Point MINI MAG Part #:0031
(LOT #: D13F06) Muzzle Velocity: 1280 F/S, Muzzle Energy: 135 LB/FT
2. CCI 22 Long Rifle STINGER Part #:0050
(LOT #: AI0F11) Muzzle Velocity: 1640 F/S, Muzzle Energy: 191 LB/FT
3. Remington .22 High Velocity Hollow Point Golden Bullet
Muzzle Velocity: 1280 F/S, Muzzle Energy: 131 LB/FT
Note: All ballistic data was obtained from respective manufacturer's web site.
First off let me say that I have decided that this will be the first in a series of tests. By making several such tests an average can be obtained that will give a much more accurate result than any single test can.
The first ten warm up shots grouped quite nicely, all under 1/2". The wind was so calm as not to be a factor. The first test set was the Golden Bullet from Remington ,which is a 36gr high velocity hollow point. This ammo. is some of the cheapest ammo. that you can buy, $8.00 for a brick of 550 rnds. You cant expect this cheap ammo to perform as well as the high dollar stuff, but for plinking under 50 yds they are passable. I have shot some pretty good groups with these bullets but the thing that really hurts them is lack of consistency. Lots of times they will vary within a box, and always from lot to lot. The test set for these bullets came in better than I expected, this type of performance is well worth $8.00 for 550 rnds. All fell within a one inch square bull except one(damit)that went 1/2" high, group size was .84". Like I said cant beat this for the money.
The second set was the CCI MINI-MAG which thus far my rifle likes more than any other ammo I have tried. These bullets cost $4.00 per 100 rnds making it more than twice as much as the Golden Bullet, but man what a difference. I sighted the rifle using the Golden Bullet, and the CCI's point of impact was 1/4" high with the same hold that I used to bull on the first target. The group however, really pleased me by being tight enough to fit under a dime at .42". This ammo not only shoots good groups but does it reliably, box to box and lot to lot. At least this has been my experience, I have heard negative things about this ammo but never had any trouble myself. This is by far my favorite shell for small game and taking to the river to deal with OLE mister snake. I would give a recommendation for these particular CCI bullets to anyone, they are high on the bang for the buck list.
The third set was the CCI STINGER. This was the first time that I have fired this ammo in this rifle, and the results were absolutely abysmal. These bullets sprayed out into a 1.77" group with 2 rnds hitting the bull. Needless to say I was expecting much better results from this ammo that costs $4.00 for 50 rnds, at least as good as the MINI-MAG. But now that I think about it, I cant remember CCI saying anything about the STINGER except it is faster, nothing about accuracy. Hmmmmmmmm. The increased muzzle velocity of this round does not impress me for the simple fact that velocity doesn't mean a thing if you cant hit what you aim at. If I dont see some VERY noticeable improvement with this ammo I can honestly say that I wont be buying any more. I would rather have an accurate bullet than the fastest bullet. Besides if I want more velocity/energy I use the 22 MAG. I will reserve judgment until I have shot more of it, but its not off to a good start.
Total result of these first tests are not scientifically accurate to the Nth degree but they do show the beginnings of a whole picture. Also I am far from any kind of expert at shooting, ballistics or any other aspects of shooting. I am simply exploring a new and challenging hobby, nothing more nothing less. And I have found very little on the subject of the Remington M597 rifle on the internet. It is that fact that lead me to share what little info I have and will be collecting.
Of the M597 I have good things to say. My rifle has the black synthetic stock, swivel studs, B-square bi-pod, black nylon sling and a 4X Tasco "Pronghorn" scope. I have also polished the bolt face, breech face, hammer and seer. Am in the process of checking legality of making flash hider for my rifle, since I cant find any after market stuff. My 597 has been extremely reliable under some pretty hellish conditions for any firearm. This rifle has fired over 3000 rnds of ammo, been fully submerged in the river, banged around in my trunk. Still it shows no rust, shoots reliable groups(with reliable ammo)and will shoot 200+ rnds before experiencing any jams or loading problems. My whole rifle cost just over $200.00 with all the accessories, in my opinion this rifle is high on value and very underrated when compared to models of other manufacturer's. The 597 is a great rifle and you cant beat the price/performance ratio.
I would at last like to say thank you for building this site, I have spent weeks looking for a 597 site and finally I have. So thanks and I hope your site continues to grow and develop. Hope you find this useful, I will send more as I get it if you would like.
Best of luck,
buddy and I were at the range the other day trying different brands of
.22 ammo. Being somewhat new to target shooting I didn't realize that different
ammo really shot differently through the same gun. I have a 597, black
with a plastic stock. I had mostly shot remington golden bullets with pretty
good results. I tried my buddy's cci blazers and wow what a difference.
I had terrific groups with them, using a 3-9 scope at 50 yards. I am having
no problems with my gun since I polished the sear a lightened the hammer
spring tension a touch. I have shot several hundred rounds through the
gun with out any jams. I put swivel lugs forward and rear with a b-square
bi-pod up front and am loving it. I would recommend the 597 to anyone as
I am having a great time with it and my buddy with a 10-22 is amazed at
the groups I am able to make. wishin' all tight groups
-Hickster. (Guntalk's Rimfire Forum)
my experience I have had very good experience with CCI Green Tag Competition.
An old timer at the range had bought a 100 box and after firing about 20
rounds decided that his gun didn't like them and gave the box to me. It
was like night and day difference. I shot 6 groups of five with all
being around one inch at 50 yards. The best was approx 1/2 inch with
the biggest being 1 1/2 inch. As far as Remington Subsonics, I have
not tried them but I do know where you can get some - www.cheaperthandirt.com.
They sell them for approximately $14 a brick.
is an M597 Magnum. I've had lots of magazine related FTF's...cartridges
seem to be sticking and not popping up properly. Winchester 40 grain JHP
load is by far the most precise Ive tried yet. 5 shot ragged holes at 50
yards, over and over again. Cheers, Jeff/1911.
-Jeff/1911. (Guntalk's Rimfire Forum)
will send you the results of the testing I've done later. It is somewhat
minimal, but every little bit helps. I haven't tried the Rem subsonics
yet. So far, CCI SGB is the best in mine. Sadly, the SGB's are discontinued.
I wrote a letter to CCI, maybe if enough people write, they'll bring them
back. Anyway, good luck on your info gathering, and lets hope for a good
aftermarket 597 trigger.
-Mike in WV. (Guntalk's Rimfire Forum)
back!!! Spent the whole weekend at the parents farm, a.k.a. "The shooting
range". Tested every brand of ammo I could buy local. I was testing
I didn`t actually measure every group, I made up targets with 1/2" grids that gave me an good idea of what was what. Some of the groups were more consistant now that I have the 4-12x scope(old tests were with a plain 4x). Wind was completly none existant.
AND THEN I TRIED REMINGTON SUBSONICS!!! I got honest to goodness 0.45" measured 10 shot groups. Notice I said groupS, not A group. My 100 yard groups were as small as some of the "other ammo`s" 50 yard groups. I couldn`t believe it. After the first group, I had to shoot another, then another. I used three boxes of ammo. Well, guess whats coming rabbit hunting with me this year! I'm sure I could do a little better if I was really a good benchrest shooter. And I thought all Remington .22 ammo was crap. If you guys haven`t tried this stuff, do. I just wish I could explain the extreme ammo preference of my rifle. I notice all the other ammo has a point of impact that is common, but the subsonics hit 6" low and 4" to the left of the average impact point of the other stuff. I sure know that this ammo`s "frequency" matches that of my barrel. It makes me wish for a barrel tuner. Note: this 597 is completly stock. Sorry for talking your ears off, Jason
-Jason Storey. (Guntalk's Rimfire Forum)
tried Remington's Target, Golden Bullet HP, and Yellow Jacket; Winchester's
Wildcat, and Super-X HP; and CCI's Stingers and Mini-Mags.
More reports to come, as soon as I can find more ammo. I hope to find a source for Remington Subsonics, as I've heard many great things about this round in the 597 rifle.
Have you performed ammunition tests with your gun? Let me know the results!